Wednesday, July 1, 2020
"Good-bye, Columbus"
Here in BP, we have a few historical markers. I'm talking about identifiers that contain the names of people who were considered to have been important to the Village.
The most prominent of these markers is the conspicuous (enough) sign at the northwest corner of our recreation facility and park, and which indicates the name of the installation: Ed Burke Park. Ed Burke was a long-time BP resident who was mayor for a stretch of time. Burke is known (to me) for a few things. First, that the recreation area is named for him. Second, that he was mayor for a while. (And Dan Keys thinks Burke was a wonderful mentor to him.) Third, I'm told that he ran such authoritative Commission meetings that Village residents didn't bother to come to them. They just knew that "Mayor Burke" would handle things. (This is something I was told. If it's not correct, someone should say so.) Fourth, that Burke was sort of a one-man Village government, and he would hand out permits informally to people he was satisfied to please. I'm told (again, please correct me, if this is not true) that it was Burke, more than anyone, who accounts for the existence of front yard walls and other fixtures which are not permitted by our codes. But, between one thing and another, someone some time decided to name our recreation facility for him.
The other markers are on buildings. They're at the front door of the recreation center, the east door of the renovated log cabin, and the front/east door of the administration building. These brass wall markers include the names of whoever was on the Commission when the projects were done. In full disclosure, as they say, I take this somewhat personally. My name is on the plaques on the log cabin and the administration building. Those two projects happened at the same time, and I was on the Commission then. For what it's worth, I approved of both projects, and I objected to my name being on a plaque. I thought the projects were worthy and properly done (and necessary). A majority of the Commission thought that. But not all Commissioners thought it. But all five names are there. By looking at the plaques, you couldn't distinguish a driving force from someone whose single-minded intent was to obstruct. They're just all there, together, the same.
I voted with the majority to accomplish these projects. But I didn't pay for them myself. I was the same as any other BP resident. And these projects weren't about me. They were about the Village. So I asked that my name not be on a plaque. But the then manager told me there was no way to exclude my name. I forgot if she said the plaques already existed by the time I requested not to have my name included, of if she gave me some other explanation. But the answer was no.
In my opinion, no one's name should be given to the recreation facility, or molded into a plaque on a building here. We don't have to "honor" anyone like that. If I thought we should, I would think we should honor Roxy and Chuck Ross, who have given an unbelievable amount of themselves, and their time, and their exceptional expertise, and their money, to make the Village better. I wasn't here in the Mayor Richard Ederr years, but from what I hear, maybe I would think someone should honor him that way. But really, I think it would be best if we didn't honor anyone. The Village is not a tribute to certain individuals. It's a tribute to the residents and taxpayers. I don't even approve of "Griffing Boulevard." Arthur Griffing was a real estate speculator. He made plenty of money by buying and selling BP land. His name doesn't need to be on our one named street.
Which brings me to the main point of this post. Right now in this country, there's a debate, or a battle, about memorialized people. The big commotion is about memorialized people who mistreated other people, or who fought for the system that mistreated other people. There's been now ongoing sturm und drang about southern/Confederate monuments, and now, the argument is about people like Christopher Columbus. Advocates of keeping these memorials spin them so that the argument is that they're historically important. The proposal is that we should own, if not frankly treasure, our history. And we should do it by keeping statuary. We should of course keep in mind that the argument is not about photographs of historical figures. It's about honorary statues. And names on various things.
We're not the only ones who have some theoretically embarrassing memorials. When the Soviet Union dissolved, statues of Lenin and Stalin were destroyed. And few people -- and no Americans -- complained about the disrespect for history. The same was true after Saddam Hussein was overthrown. Statues were torn down, and people -- and Americans -- rejoiced. "Mr Gorbachev," Ronald Reagen challenged, "tear down that [Berlin] wall." And down it came. Yay. A piece of it is on the downtown Miami MDC campus. One of the third rails of American politics is the prohibition against saying anything positive about Fidel Castro, no matter what he did to help some disadvantaged Cubans. I don't know if there were ever statues of Hitler, but if there were, there aren't any more. (Crickets)
I doubt many Russians wish they had the Soviet Union back. Interestingly, many Iraqis said that Iraq under Hussein was much more orderly and safer before he was overthrown (and not by them). I don't know if anyone regrets the loss of those statues. I haven't heard of anyone in the world who wishes the Berlin wall was still there. The difference here is that we're genuinely not at all on the same page about the Civil War. There are many Americans who still feel they lost something, and they resent the loss. For them, Robert E. Lee was and still is a true hero. And they persist in being racist. But they're wrong. And they lost. And the memorials have to go away.
And I still want my name removed from any plaques in BP. (Actually, I want the plaques removed.)
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Well..... strangely enough, I do believe that many Russians want the Soviet Union back. I know this because a few years ago I read a book called "Secondhand Time" by a woman named Svetlana Alexievich. She is a Nobel prize winning investigatie journalist, analyst, and oral historian. She was clearly influenced by Solzhenitsyn. She interviewed thousands of post Soviet Russians and compiled them into this book. I was flabbergasted when I read that book because about half of the people represented in the book actually believed in Soviet values and thought life had been better in the Soviet Union. Go figure.
ReplyDeleteI am looking forward to reading her newer book on Chernobyl. You know, just for fun!
Just a little comment on a small part of your post.
Well, whaddaya know. Who knew? Thanks for the correction.
DeleteIf you remember from the book, how many is "many?" 100? 1000? Half of Russians? Most Russians? And when did she survey them, with respect to when the Soviet Union collapsed? What did they value about it? We in this country are not allowed to know if there was anything good about communism. Our capitalist minders think we would get confused. We're also scolded severely if we criticize any parts of capitalism.
Anonymous, its hard to take you or anything you say seriously while you hide behind your anonymity. What are you afraid of? Is it your job or perhaps your concerned with Freds hard jabs. Well whatever your reason is I think its time to come out. Its 2020 and we are a much more inclusive society. Dont be afraid, once you're out you'll be surprised at the support you may receive. Hell we may even make you the master of ceremony at next years pride parade.
DeleteAnother turd who actually thinks it’s about equality.... EVERYONE has the right to be free and happy in this great country. NOONE should be demeaned and called out consistently on a public forum. POT meet kettle.
DeleteHere are the problems, Anonymous. In a way, the least of them is that you hide your identity. Why would you want to join a conversation only on condition that no one know who you are? The obvious answer is that you want to say things that you would be embarrassed to say if the other people did know who you are. My philosophy about that has always been that if you can't say something openly, and honestly, and take responsibility for your opinions, then you shouldn't express them at all. It's as if you yourself knew they were unworthy. So keep them to yourself.
DeleteBut what's even more important is the "content" of what you say, in the context of this blog. You essentially never address the matters at hand. In that sense, what you way contains no relevant content. It's just a sputtering rant, and it's not clear about what you're ranting. Your last comment, which seems to be structured as if it was a response to Art, is nothing but a short compilation of partial slogans which have nothing to do with this blog post, or about Art's comment to you. If you were already in some orbit that was separate from the topic we're discussing, you appear even to have left that orbit. You have made yourself a babbling, blithering moron.
But you do have something that seems to be almost like a recurring theme. You're enraged. Mostly, you're enraged at me, for reasons no one knows. You just issue insults, but there's not enough substantive content in the insults to give any real insight into what it is about me you don't like. But it's not only me. You quickly, and seemingly mindlessly, turn on Art, whom you call "another turd who actually thinks it's...," but again, you don't support even your flailing with enough substance to know what is your complaint about Art.
In a comment you made in the post before this one, you proposed to disqualify me with something like "Fred hates the world, and the world hates Fred," or perhaps the other way around, and this appears to be a very reasonable personal insight you actually have about yourself. You have rightly concluded that you are unfit for anyone to know who you are, and you just rage and spit without relevant meaning. You clearly do hate everyone, and you have already formed the assumption that if you gave anyone the chance, by identifying yourself, everyone would hate you. Art was being charitable, but for my part, I'm not sure you're wrong about that.
I'd tell you to have a nice life, but it's not clear to me that's one of the possibilities. You have a ton of baggage.
When people resort to name calling especially while hiding behind the flag of anonymity it shows fear and weakness. I would never stoop so low as to be drawn into the world of elementary school yard banter. Not sure what equality has to do with this conversation other than yes I do believe in equality and I also believe in your equality to express yourself freely and without fear, which is obviously your current situation. Again I ask what is your fear to speak out without your invisible cloak? By the way feel free to continue to call me names I got over taking any of that personally in the 4th grade.
DeleteSo Fred, back to the academic portion of the discussion.....
DeleteThe interviews were conducted over the period of time from 1991 to 2012. I would say that about half of the ones in the book were pro Soviet. I don't know if she culled it to look like that, but I have to say that I was really shocked not only at the amount of pro Soviet comments, but the types of comments. Some were wistful remembrances of the good old days and some were very philosophically charged with the Soviet spirit.
I have to say that it really gave me pause about our own country and why no one here seems to know that there was a lot of support for the Soviet regime. I have been re-thinking so many things because of this book.
On the other subject of your post, I am just so saddened (and frankly, depressed) about the vitriol that has been spewed about the recent Pride parade. I am not really surprised, but also stunned by the vehemence coming out.
This subject (along with the situation on my street) is causing us to seriously think about the possibility of moving.
P.S. I think you all know who I am, I use nicknames on all public internet things when allowed, because I am just "techie" enough to know about Internet privacy.
"BrambleWitch,"
Delete(If you think we all know who you are, then what's the point in hiding behind a pseudonym? It doesn't appear to be affording you much privacy.)
You raise complicated issues. Let's say half the interviewees favored communism, and the presentation was accurate. By 1991-2012, there were few or no people who remembered Russian life before communism. So we could imagine that half the interviewees thought something was being taken from them, and half thought something was being given to them by exchanging communism for whatever it is now. This, of course, is a rough way to summarize it.
Communism, wherever it occurs, was started for a reason. Somebody was feeling disadvantaged, or mistreated. And communism has something to offer, wherever it occurs. To take an American example, some people who are against the ACA/"Obamacare"/"socialized medicine," or whatever you want to call it declare it some sort of socialist subversion. But to take that position, they have to ignore the difficulty many people have affording health care, or the fact that the commonest cause of personal bankruptcy in this country has always, to my knowledge, been an inability to pay medical bills. Communism sees to it that everyone gets education, and medical care, and something to live on. I don't think it's hard to understand why that appeals to some people, or half the people. Undiluted communism suppresses some people. Undiluted capitalism abuses some people. And totalitarianism, no matter whether it occurs in communist countries or capitalist ones, is never much good for anyone.
As for your comment about the Pride parade, I'm afraid I don't know what you're talking about. Vitriol coming from where/whom? I was busy that day, and could not participate, and I don't know what happened.
Do you want to talk more about what's happening on your street, or what you're concerned is intended to happen there? I know about the proposal for sidewalks, and about the talk about converting from two lanes to one per direction. And something about crossing facilitation. What's on your mind?
Fred
Actually Fred, it is a very far cry from people on a small local blog knowing who I am and having my name registered on Google, Yahoo, and even Facebook (where I have a different fictitious name). Using one's actual name on many search engines and other for-profit web institutions can result in many different types of situations that I don't want to participate in. Years ago while checking out a person who was running for office in Biscayne Park, I came across several web pages that buy public information and put it up on the Internet behind a pay wall. I have spent many hours having myself removed from these sites. The fact that there are not many laws protecting the average person from having their information used without their knowledge, made it much harder for me. I had a huge problem with Classmates.com (who seems pretty benign) in taking off pictures from high school, etc. You may not think this is intrusive in your life, but I do.
DeleteAs to the book, I imagine there are many people who grew up in Soviet times, and do actually believe in those doctrines and may believe that they personally had a better life. I can't tell. Had I been born in the Soviet Union on the date that I was born, I would have grown up in a slightly post Stalin Soviet Union and I may or may not have been happy and fulfilled. I will never know but I believe that the author did a fair and even job of presenting a very wide selection of opinions.
As to the Pride parade, did I not hear of a certain email that was sent to most of the Commissioners on this very blog? After I heard that, I saw some pretty nasty (in my opinion) sentiments regarding the Pride parade on Next Door. I have to say that I was very insulted and i'm not even gay.
When it comes to the street, you probably don't want to know what's on my mind. It isn't pretty. I am very unhappy with the way this project was hidden from anyone knowing about it, and if it hadn't been for my finding Mac and talking to him about it, it would have already been passed by a Commission who either didn't know about it, or pretended that they didn't know about it. Then when the bulldozers moved in, there would be hell to pay with the residents who were blindsided. I think there is a slight possibility that we can work with FDOT on that but I don't really think any of the Commissioners (besides Mac and Roxy) actually care one way or another about the residents.
I believe that it is a complicated situation because with the addition of sidewalks FDOT is basically ASKING for more thru-way traffic on the street, cars and pedestrians. Right now, how many pedestrians do you think we have? Not many, and why would we? We have no commercial so why would people need to be walking up and down 6th? It makes no sense, unless you are FDOT whose main initiative is to move people quickly from one place to another. I believe that this would essentially turn Biscayne Park into an extension of North Miami visually. I see no upside. Take a look at the sidewalks that were added at 125th near I-95 just a year or so ago, they look like crap already. Do we need more concrete that looks like crap going up our main street?
Fred,
ReplyDeleteYou raise some important and interesting points in your post. Recognition by way of streets, public arenas, rooms, statues, etc. serve to commemorate those who have served us in ways many would like to remember, and some would sooner forget.
Being memorialized publicly is a gesture too often gifted to those who brought lots of attention to themselves, either by their heinous acts, large bank accounts, or their good deeds. Worshipping at the Altar of Greatness is very subjective.
I often laugh when I pass a certain road in town named for a man most people despised. Granted, he gave large sums of money to the community, but a street sign marking his memory gives pause. I always get a chuckle when I find birds have left their droppings on the road sign, their way of honoring this so-called famous/infamous gent.
Judith Marks-White
What a wuss.
ReplyDeleteWhen folks post anonymously, that's just a virtual way of wearing a hood.
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ReplyDeleteFred, my actual experience with Ed Burke does not support any of your assertions. Ed was an extremely dedicated public servant who served his community fairly for over 25 years as an elected official and I am proud to have been one of the members of the Village Commission that named our recreation center in his honor. You just have no clue and therefore you shouldn’t speak on the issue.
ReplyDeleteDan,
DeleteI said you considered Burke a great mentor. I've heard you say that. So I don't think you disagree with it. I think "[your] actual experience with...Burke" does in fact support my assertion.
I don't know what it means to say Burke was "an extremely dedicated public servant." I have mentioned some specifics, and, as you rightly say, I wasn't there. I offered that anyone who knew different could correct me. Unfortunately, you broadly complain about my expression of concern for how I was told Burke did things, but you do not gainsay any of the particulars. They're correct, but you don't like the implication? Hey, I didn't tell Burke how to govern. Apparently, neither did you.
Fred
Fred my recollection of the Ed Burke days (having lived in BP since 1978) is very much aligned with your comments. He was pretty much a one man government. That translated into most, if not all, the other commission members voting in line with him. Wasn't much room for debate. Decisions and actions were based on his view without room for compromise. Bob and I started pitching the need for code enforcement not long after we moved here. At that time the problems were primarily east of 10th Ave. Ed didn't view anything east of 10th Ave. as particularly important. We can see how well that worked out.
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ReplyDeleteI debated plenty with him, Janey, and I was always treated with respect and professionalism. Won some discussions and lost some. Remember, as I’m sure you do, Ed was permitted and expected to act as a manager under the form of government we had then. Ed was a fiscal conservative and was supported by the vast majority of citizens of that era. Just a fact. However, when presented with proposals that could be afforded, he moved forward. Increases in the recreation budget in the 80s is evidence if that.
ReplyDeleteI’ll take your word for it that Ed may have differed from you regards spending on code enforcement as that certainly would have been a financial stretch for Ed (and the community) at that time. Ed was not however against enforcing the code. I know of him guiding correction of some problematic issues through the police department (the agency then responsible for code enforcement).
As to your belief that the commission worked in lock step with him, that was true for many years as he was a good politician as well as a manager. I can also tell you that legislation, when necessary, was put together well and was easy to vote for. Items were presented in a professional manner to the public, the commission voted the item up or down with any successful amendments and things became law. What a concept!!!
As to the East if 10th Ave comment, I can tell you that it received as much of the actual expenditures as the rest of the Village (road paving in particular was spread around - your street and mine were benefactors). That the Village and it’s populous was indeed frugal at the time, does not indicate a disparity of expenditure form one side of the community to the other.
Dan,
DeleteYou seem to make clear that you were quite enamored of Burke. That's fine. You're welcome to like and admire anyone you want, but you should still be capable of appreciating them in a reality-based way.
For example, you say on the one hand that Burke (the one-man government) presumably concluded that "spending on code enforcement...would have been a financial stretch for...the community," but on the other hand, he was apparently much more lavish about spending for recreation. It's not hard to see how he got re-elected: he used whatever money was available to "give," by expanding recreation, but he did not "take away," by demanding code-based responsibility. It's as if the recreation spending was symbolic, and he acted as if he was dealing with children. Give them toys, and don't make them do any chores. Yup, that'll get you votes.
Also, on a separate note, I wanted to point out to you that you meant beneficiaries, not benefactors, and you meant population, not populous. Some people use the word populus (not populous) to mean people or population, but I think this is a made up fake word. I did look it up, and populus is a genus of plant, including the poplar. But really, what you meant is population. (You also meant its, not it's.) And when you use the word frugal, you return this discussion to Burke's infantilization of the Village. What you clearly meant was fiscally limited, but according both to what I heard from someone else, and what you yourself have alluded to, it is probably right to say, though grammatically wrong, that part of the issue was frugality: the then Villagers were treated as if they could not afford whatever was necessary to meet code requirements, although somehow, they could afford more toys.
Fred
I forgot to mention one other reason that statuary commemorating Confederate figures should be removed. And I'm setting aside that a centrally important aim of the Confederacy was to continue slavery.
ReplyDeleteSome people suggest that early Americans like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson also owned slaves. And they argue that the reason to remove commemorative statuary to people like Robert E. Lee or Jefferson Davis could equally well be a reason to remove any such honors we pay to people like Washington and Jefferson. But there's a fundamental difference. Washington and Jefferson worked and fought to build this country. Lee and Davis worked and fought to destroy it. They wanted to secede from the Union as it then was, and make the United States less than it was. They were traitors to the United States. Why would we have honorary statues to people who were traitors who wanted to destroy the country?
Not to mention, Fred, that Lee and Davis were "losers," the type of folks our president seems to hate the most. Why should the greatest nation in the history of the world celebrate "losers?" If/when he loses in November (or has the election stolen from him by another country or mail-in ballots), shall we erect a statue in his honor? At least he'll have one final erection.
ReplyDeleteIf we have to build it for him, it's more like a prosthetic erection.
DeleteFred, the increased expenditures on recreation were not due to Ed handing out goodies. They were in response to the efforts of two members of the commission, Dan Keys and Harold Hopkin, who were big supporters of better funding for recreational activities. Because Ed was respectful of other elected officials and the constituents they represented, he worked with the commission to increase funding for recreation even though it was a difficult process for him as a fiscal conservative. Trust me, he didn’t open the bank account without some hard discussions.
ReplyDeleteI’m sad to hear that you as a former elected official can’t conceptualize what it is to be an extremely dedicated public official.
Dan,
DeleteYou have entirely side-stepped the issue. As Janey made clear to you, other Village residents were also "big supporters" of something, but apparently, that didn't faze Burke. I'm sorry you appear not to be able to recognize, or to understand, the point I, and Janey, made to you.
I also regret that you apparently do not recognize the extent to which I was a dedicated Commissioner. Perhaps I advocated for things that you didn't favor, so you don't view my advocacy as dedication. Well, if you didn't take my advice, and you voted for Tracy Truppman and her stooges, I hope you're satisfied that you got people who may seem to you more dedicated than I seemed to you to be.
Fred
H Weitz sent me this link, and he asked that I post it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkvVRIUV8-o
ReplyDeleteThis one, an interview of Ken Burns by Chris Cuomo, is more extensive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOwrd2kRQcA
And this John Oliver piece is the most comprehensive of the three: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5b_-TZwQ0I
It’s you who didn’t take advice, Fred.
ReplyDeleteDan,
DeleteThere's no shortage of "advice." You, as a former elected representative of your neighbors, had an opportunity to hear plenty of input, or, if you will, get advice, from them. I don't know if you listened to any of them, or only to Burke, or only to yourself. I wasn't here then.
But be that as it may, all electeds get input/"advice" from various places. Ideally, they/we all listen to it, take it into account, and form whatever they/we think are the best conclusions. Given enough input, which isn't very much, it becomes inevitable to take some input/advice, and appear to reject other.
What advice would you say I didn't take?
Fred