Tuesday, December 1, 2020

Who Said We Need an Odd Number of Commissioners? Most Votes Were 4-0.

That's what I get for tuning in to the Commission meeting two minutes after 7:00.  Ginny O'Halpin was inexplicably not there, and Vice Mayor Mac Kennedy started the meeting on time.  Mac ran the meeting for about three minutes, until Art Gonzalez became the new Vice Mayor, and he ran the rest of the meeting. 

Everyone was relieved to have a new/real Village manager.  He's already been in very substantive talks with WastePro, and it sounds like we can expect results.  Everyone was encouraged, except Judi Hamelburg, who told a personal story of what she said was uncollected waste, and her demand for a refund.  Rox Ross, in her public comment, noted that Mario Diaz got the support of five sitting Commissioners, and two Commissioners-elect.

It struck me as an interesting, and frankly somewhat disturbing, curiosity that the Commission seemed to want to make board alternates second class citizens, who can fill in for board members, and participate in discussions (at most), but not vote on board decisions.  These alternates are our neighbors, and they are identical to the board members, except that there is a limited number of seats per board, and there can be more applicants than empty seats.  But we (as Commissioners) don't choose board members because they're the only applicants who are qualified.  We choose them because we only need to fill a few seats.  There's no difference in ability between the people we choose and the people we don't.  (If there was only one open seat on a board, and only one applicant, we would appoint that applicant to the board.)  So, if someone we chose to fill a seat can't do it, because of conflict of interest, or because the member is unable to attend a meeting, then the alternate should be equal to the regular member.  They're equal enough to be alternates, and  they're equal enough to fill in for the absent member, and they're equal enough to participate in discussions.  They should be equal enough to vote.  By their presence, and whatever they contribute to the discussion, they will certainly have influenced the vote.  They should be a part of that vote.  It was a bit of a roller coaster, but it seems the Commission finally found its way to empowering alternates this way.

Mac Kennedy has been crusading for quite a while about lack of safety, or even consideration, at construction sites, and he finally grabbed his chance to propose a relevant Ordinance.  Mac had absolutely the right idea tonight.  The only problem was that Commissioners were trying to make contractors of themselves, and "micromanaging" the specific precautions that should be taken.  They were on much more solid ground when they discussed matters like what time of day, and which days of the week, construction-related noises could occur.  Judi Hamelburg expanded our appreciation of what days work could be done by sharing a personal story of roofing work she had done at her house on a Saturday.  Judi unknowingly offered the Commission an important insight: don't try to make specific rules for everything, foreseen or unforeseen.  The answer was to establish a general theme, and leave the specifics, like what to do in an emergency, or if it's a roof task, and a storm is approaching, to the manager.

During one of the excursions into expertise Commissioners don't have, there was discussion to the extent that lay people should not be writing codes.  Manager Mario Diaz was somewhat assertive about this.  But Judi Hamelburg shared her personal story of having been part of the Code Review Committee, and having participated in writing codes.  Judi pointed out that the Village seems always to have written its own codes.  There was no discussion about the disorganization and inconsistency of a number of our codes, leading several Village cognoscenti to conclude, as Mario Diaz said, that we should have our codes professionally rewritten.

Attorney Ed Dion rethought his reaction last month, and he now says that his firm, which he said last month had no experience in aviation matters, does have adequate experience, and he even quoted us a price to represent us.  So we won't have to hire a separate lawyer, as he told us last month we would.

Commissioner/Vice Mayor/tonight's acting mayor Art Gonzalez introduced an initiative that encouraged Commissioners to respond to their neighbors who make public comments and ask questions.  Art remembers that there used to be an agenda item called something like Commissioner responses to public comments.  This suggestion was such a slam dunk softball that it's hard to imagine that anyone didn't say "well, of course."  And it seems as if possibly everyone eventually did agree.  It was not clear to me if Dan Samaria agreed.  He was very resistant, but he might have caved in, once he was reassured he was under no obligation to respond to his neighbors.

Wasn't it Maynard G Krebs who said, or shrieked, "Work; work?!"  About the same reaction followed Mac Kennedy's suggestion that Commissioners receive written communications electronically, instead of on paper.  Judi Hamelburg shared a personal story about what electronic hardware she uses, and about her secretary's responsibilities, and she just couldn't agree to have to read on a screen, or print what she wanted on paper.  Dan Samaria wholeheartedly agreed.  So that initiative failed, and Judi and Dan can continue to have someone print reams of paper that will quickly be discarded, sometimes with significant parts of it unread.

Establishing goals, for the Commission and for the manager, is another painfully obvious suggestion.  It required little or no discussion, and certainly not the amount it got.  I still say we are under the burden of too many people who like to hear themselves talk.  There was a very early Woody Allen movie which I think was called "Sleeper."  In it, Allen was masquerading as a surgeon, and he kept repeating the word "structure," because he liked the sound of the word, and he liked to listen to himself say it.  It was kind of like that.

The final matter was Judi Hamelburg's wish to discuss Commissioners' use of the Village's attorney's time.  Judi started with a personal story about a business she runs, and how she pays the expenses for her personal business.  The purpose of this story was unclear, but somehow, Judi segued this into a criticism of Mac Kennedy, and an accusation that Mac was using the Village attorney for his own benefit in his campaign.  Judi was very concerned about expenses like this, and she was not one bit mollified when the Village attorney reassured her that no personal campaign matters for Mac's benefit were discussed.  Mac further suggested, more than once, that Judi check with the Village attorney herself before she makes a public indictment of Mac.  But Judi knew where she wanted to go, and no one was going to stop her from going there.

4 1/4 hours.


22 comments:

  1. Thanks for your recap. I left the meeting early because, well because. You know I am always reticent to talk publicly (as public as this blog is, which probably isn't) but I am not as hopeful as I was right after the election. I mean about Biscayne Park.

    I sent an email on Sunday to the Commission, the Police Chief, and the new Code Enforcement Officer with my concerns regarding several different issues that I see as problems as Biscayne Park moves forward in our society as it is now. Issues like: light pollution, McMansions, Air BnB/Party Houses, and yes, FDOT. To be honest, FDOT is the least of my concerns at this point.

    I received two replies. One was very thoughtful and kind, from Mac. He is spoiling me to expect a reply from Commissioners and to assume that they might have some small interest in the opinions of residents. The other one was from Art. I have to say that Art's reply could have come from Will Tudor, by saying that I mean that it was a "thanks for writing" type thing. Judi didn't reply but she already knew about my issues and we had talked a small amount on the phone a couple of days before. I didn't expect to hear from Ginny, but she usually doesn't reply. I do admit that I didn't cc the email at all to Dan Samaria because he does not deserve to know what any of my thoughts are. He hasn't earned the information in any way. I see that, unless a resident speaks at the Commission meeting, in front of attendees, many of these issues might not be addressed. This can be a huge waste of time, so I emailed but I see now that my email failed because no one was watching while they read my comments.

    I am pretty disappointed, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised since I didn't specifically ask for a reply. I thought that maybe some of them actually live in the same town that I do and might have experienced some of the same thoughts. I guess I was wrong.

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    1. BrambleWitch,

      You raise a few issues.

      First, reticent means shy, or disinclined to talk. It's about the same as taciturn. You were not reticent to talk publicly. You were reluctant to talk publicly. This is an extremely common misunderstanding of the meaning of the word reticent.

      Second, I know you were hopeful after the BP election, and I know why you were hopeful, and you and I have discussed this. I disagreed with you that you had reason to be hopeful. I'm sorry you were disappointed, and I see that you're sort of grasping at some straws to try not to have to give up hope. Mac is Mac. You can accuse him of going overboard, but you can't accuse him of even the slightest lapse of energy and devotion. He's intelligent, commanding, and he does a great job. I hope we'll all accept his going overboard, in exchange for our having a wonderful representative/advocate/champion. I agree you should have expected, and gotten, more from Art. Art is somewhat...reticent...in some circumstances. I know Art. I like him a lot. I've been to parties and events at his house on a few occasions. Art opens up. I suspect he will soon enough on the Commission, too. He's not a life-of-the-party kind of guy, as Mac is. But he's all there. Let's suspend judgment on Art for the moment (that's really all it's been). So let's see: Ginny and Dan are useless and uninterested. Let me think that over, and I'll get back to you. As a frame of reference about Judi, you have found a way to excuse why she didn't respond to an e-mail from you. You're not the only Village resident who has sent her e-mails, in her capacity as a Commissioner, and you're not the only one who doesn't get responses. I'll think about Ginny and Dan, and you can think about Judi.

      And by the way, no one should have to ask for a reply to an e-mail to a Commissioner about something. An e-mail is an expression of a thought or opinion about something. (If it's not frankly a blatant question.) It's the start of a conversation. If there's no response other than "thanks for writing," or no response at all, then there's a problem. BP Commissioners aren't getting millions or thousands or hundreds of e-mails from BP residents every day. They're probably not getting 10. Most days, they (we, a few years ago) get none. It's not exactly heavy lifting to address whatever was the topic of the e-mail. OK, I'll do it; here's why I don't think we should do it; I agree; I disagree; I'll look into it (and get back to you). And some exploration of the topic, to make sure the matter is fully understood, and to reciprocate the gesture of interaction. So, yeah, you should be disappointed, and you should be surprised. Unless you don't want to bother to be surprised by the non-responses from Ginny, Dan, and...Judi. I'm going to ask you to consider something. And you don't have to respond to this. It's just for you to consider. Imagine if any outreach or connection Judi ever makes is about Judi, not about the person to whom she appears to be reaching out, or with whom she appears to be connecting. Imagine if Judi's goal with you, for example, is that you would like her, and say she's a wonderful and caring person. Once that goal is accomplished, why should she continue to use her time cultivating you? She didn't bother to respond to you, but you're still excusing her. Mission accomplished.

      Fred

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    2. BrambleWitch,

      I don't want to get in the middle of this, but I did hear from Art today, regarding your comment. Art's re-reading of the communication between you and him was that you gave your opinion about something, did not ask a question, and ended your communication with "thanks for listening." So Art interpreted that you weren't looking for much of a response. Although I agree with you that he could have engaged in more of a discussion about whatever it was, you do seem to have contributed to the problem of which you later complained. And Art's archive of this e-conversation includes his response of "Thank you for your insight and thoughtfulness about our Village. I appreciate your input." That's a little less stark and spare than your "thanks for writing" memory.

      Clearly, you were hoping for more interaction, and clearly, you were disappointed. I will assume Art doesn't know you, and he missed subtle signals, including the fact that you wrote to him at all. If you would suggest, or argue, that someone in Art's position should probably guess differently, or should even simply prefer as much interaction about an issue as possible, I would agree with you. But you might consider making the signals a little less subtle in the future.

      Fred

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  2. When these commission meetings going to stop when is this waste of funds going to stop when is Biscayne Park going to be dismantled someone needs to reach out to the governor this biscayne park commission needs to be dismantled

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  3. Hey, Louis. Here's the governor's email address. You have as much right and ability to contact him about staging a coup in BP as anyone. Please cc me on that email: mkennedy@biscayneparkfl.gov. Remember, those emails are all public record.
    GovernorRon.Desantis@eog.myflorida.com

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  4. It’s just a matter of time that you’re going to self-destruct you’re too much out there you have a big mouth no substance what about the free cell phone did you surrender it yet ? Still calling people on your on a public cell phone that doesn’t belong to you

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  5. You should volunteer your time at the Humane Society or Camilla house stay out of Biscayne Park politics You’re only making it worse for the 3000 people 1200 homes in this community we don’t need people like you

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  6. You need to disclose that cell phone bill who are you calling with that cell phone all the commissioners need to disclose who they’re calling you’ve called me more than a half a dozen times on that cell phone for what purpose

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  7. Luigi/Louie/"hot dog king," this blog is an open forum. Anyone can participate, and anyone can say anything they want. I do not inhibit anyone, and I do not delete what anyone writes.

    I have to be honest with you, and tell you that you have abused the opportunity to participate here. Your contributions are rarely germane to the topics at hand, you accuse people of nonsense, nothing, or you make cryptic references, such as saying that the Village does "[not] need people like [Mac Kennedy,]" whatever you mean by that. And I'm not asking. Frankly, I don't care what you mean. You are not helpful, you are not neighborly, and you give no evidence of wanting anything, at least nothing you articulate, that is good for the Village. You have said ad nauseam at this point that you don't think the Village should exist as an independent municipality. You are one of a few people who thinks of it that way, you have been overwhelmingly outvoted, and there is no reason for you to go on and on about the same sad rant. I see that you also feel free to refer to one of your neighbors as a "dumb bastard" and a "dumbass loser." The context suggests to me that you're referring to Mac Kennedy. Mac is very highly intelligent, his parents were married to each other when he was born, and he won the recent election with the highest vote count ever recorded in BP. So you're wrong about every word you say about him.

    My point, Luigi/Louie/"hot dog king," is that I find myself for the first time ever requesting that someone not participate in this blog any more. If you insist on unloading your material here, I doubt I will take the measure available to me, and delete your comments. I don't want to do that, to you or to anyone. But I am at this point requesting that you cease commenting. You offer nothing of value, you're mind-numbingly repetitive, and you're nasty and meaninglessly insulting.

    Fred

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  8. Doctor it sounds like you’re prescribing drugs to yourself now why in the world would you recommend Chuck and Ross a building to be named after them you’ve only been here since 2005 you know nothing Biscayne Park is riddled with scandals miss management a police department that doesn’t open doesn’t answer the phone commissioners get free cell phones who are they calling why don’t you talk about the real stuff that’s happening not the fake Disney World stuff that’s happening in your mind don’t make this look like a bowl of cherries it’s not and you know that these commissioners come and go mayors come and go and nothing gets done now we have this group that gets free cell phones it seems like you’re only interested in your thoughts only will your thoughts are incorrect totally incorrect ashamed of yourself Doctor why don’t you call Al for what it is how many times have we been in the Miami Herald how many people attend the meetings monthly how many city managers if we had how many mayors have we had how many commissioners have resigned how many police chiefs have resigned how many police officers have resigned why don’t you blog back the facts not your interpretation of Disney world which doesn’t exist in Biscayne Park how dare you suggest a building named after two people that had no input whatsoever in this community other than to satisfy you socially and letting you talk nonsense you need to stop blogging and start talking the truth and maybe somebody will listen to you I ask you again how many people attend the meetings in Biscayne Park how many people know who the mayor is or the commissioner or the police chief The number is 2% you should be ashamed of yourself E
    Align and your self with these frauds that are ongoing with these cell phones and we have flooding issues the money that goes to pay for the cell phones to be addressed to the flooding issues and a lot more pruning the goddamn trees

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    1. I agree with you, Luigi/Louie/"hot dog king." The Village-issued and paid-for mobile phones were a scam perpetrated by Tracy Truppman. They should be surrendered. We should end the contract, and save the few dollars for something important to Village functioning.

      PS: I see that you're still ranting wildly, and that your rants contain the same tired material you've been riding for several weeks, or more. You really don't have anything else?

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  9. If you delete my post you’re a coward doctor !

    just like the rest of them you never talk about the truth you only spin it your way your interpretation of it which is totally misleading totally incorrect and stop prescribing drugs to yourself

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  10. You’re nothing but a sour grapes because you didn’t win back your commission seat that’s the truth and you’re just seeking attention go to Gainesville lots of attention there for you

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    1. You are importantly mistaken, again, Luigi/Louie/"hot dog king." It's not I who did not "win" my Commission seat. I did win. I didn't get elected. It's you who didn't win my Commission seat. If you didn't elect me, then you were going to get Judi Hamelburg or Will Tudor as a Commissioner who would affect your life as a BP resident. It's your loss.

      Being a Commissioner is not something someone "wins." It's a difficult, complicated, time-consuming, "thankless" job. It's something the right person does out of devotion for the neighborhood, and the constituency. Had you elected me, I would have lost, and you would have won. I would have given you my time and dedication, and I would have formed a functional majority on many or most issues with Mac Kennedy and Art Gonzalez to make your Village a better place. It would have cost me time, trouble, and aggravation to help improve your Village for you. But I was willing to do it, to save you from Will Tudor and Judi Hamelburg. I helped save the Village from any more of Noah Jacobs, and I was willing to save it from Tracy Truppman, et al. You did not accept my offer, which was my sacrifice. I was again willing to save the Village from a majority of Ginny, Dan, and either Tudor or Judi. But again, you did not accept my offer. So now, you have Ginny, Dan, and Judi. I suggest you watch Commission meetings. And feel as free to make public comments as you do to comment in this blog. You can bestow on the majority all the insights you elaborate here. I'm sure they'll be delighted to have your perspective. How could they not?

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  11. You expressed so much hatred to Will tutor I wonder what’s behind all of that doctor and the same goes for Genny whatever they called the mayor I guess that’s her nickname you don’t like her either you don’t like a lot of people !!!

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  12. And let’s not leave out milt you don’t like him either you’re always talking down and talking bad things about him which are not true he’s one of the good people in Biscayne Park and it’s been here for close to 30 years

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  13. Punctuation matters people! See, good punctuation, used judiciously, makes it easier to follow the logic of your posts. There are many examples of good punctuation - too many to list. This is unfortunate; can't we do better? Conclusion: punctuation matters (and Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself). Except when used to do dumb stuff like this :) \_:~_/ >OOO>

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    1. John,

      Are you talking to "people," or person? Luigi Di raimondo clearly dictates his comments. (You can tell, because some of what he says is transcribed wrong.) He gets into a ramble, and he forgets about punctuation.

      If only that was Luigi's/Louie's/"hot dog king's" biggest problem.

      Fred

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    2. I thought some humor was in order; obviously looking at Luigi on this one.

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    3. Fred, the discussion regarding board alternates did get a bit confusing because we kept having to re-explain what was going on to one of the commissioners. However, we ended up exactly where you’re suggesting. Board alternates will fill in for a member who is missing in a voting capacity. They may attend any board meeting and share their opinions, but they may only vote when they’re filling in for a missing board member. Additionally, if a board member resigns for any reason the alternate automatically takes over the permanent seat and the commission can replace the alternate. The only remaining detail we need from the attorney is how many alternates we may appoint to any board at one time.We should be able to approve a final version at the January commission meeting. #allgood

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    4. Fred, the discussion regarding board alternates did get a bit confusing because we kept having to re-explain what was going on to one of the commissioners. However, we ended up exactly where you’re suggesting. Board alternates will fill in for a member who is missing in a voting capacity. They may attend any board meeting and share their opinions, but they may only vote when they’re filling in for a missing board member. Additionally, if a board member resigns for any reason the alternate automatically takes over the permanent seat and the commission can replace the alternate. The only remaining detail we need from the attorney is how many alternates we may appoint to any board at one time.We should be able to approve a final version at the January commission meeting. #allgood

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