Saturday, February 27, 2016
A Dog Park, Nipping at Our Heels Again
Apparently, there's been some talk among participants of Nextdoor Biscayne Park, regarding a dog park in Biscayne Park. For whatever reason, two people have brought it to my attention, and neither has a clear memory of the dog park in BP story. So here's the most recent of it.
I moved here in the middle of 2005. Not long after that, and apparently already ongoing, there was public discussion of a dog park here. The spokesman/ringleader was John Ise, who eventually moved to Miami Shores. I see him at one place or another from time to time. Anyway, John represented a small(?) group of BP residents who wanted a dog park in the Park, and somehow, John was proposing to raise money to create one. I'm told, by the way, that this effort was not the first here.
It's unclear to me what the money was intended for, unless it was to erect necessary fences, or maybe create a water supply, too. In any event, John and his partners did not succeed in raising the money, and the issue receded. There was an appeal to the then Commission, presumably for permission to establish such a park, if the funding was successful, and the Commission did not disagree.
A few years later, when I was on the Foundation, we were talking about possible goals for fund-raising-- that is, possible special projects and Village enhancements for which we could raise money-- and the matter of a dog park was reintroduced. John and his family had already moved to MSV by then, so he himself was not a principal advocate. A couple of other people were, though, but I can't remember who they were.
The Foundation accepted this project, and we agreed that this would be our stated fund-raising goal. First, though, we had to specify where this dog park was to be. We needed a specific site, for advertising and interest-inducing purposes, and we needed to know how large a proposed site would be, so we would know how much fencing, for example, we would have to buy.
We had some meetings, very open to the public, to entertain ideas as to where a dog park could be installed. One proposal was the triangle bordered by Griffing Boulevard, 6th Avenue, and 15th Street. It's the area known as Griffing Park, and it's where two sculptures now are. We had doubts about that spot, because of concern regarding access. It would be a bit treacherous to walk there, and there wasn't a good and ready place to park. We were also concerned that a dog park in that part of the Park, where our grandest entrance is, might not be attractive. So we dismissed that site as a possibility.
There were also, at the time, two vacant lots either of which the Foundation could have purchased to convert into a dog park. And there are several large medians in various places in the Village. We could have converted one of those into a dog park. These were the kinds of sites we considered.
Before we could take the idea to the Commission, for approval, we had to choose a particular site. This consideration was what the open meetings were for, apart from confirming that there was enthusiasm enough for the concept.
The Foundation discovered something interesting. Several BP residents wanted there to be a dog park here, in the Park. They said they would like to walk or drive their dog(s) to such a park. But not one BP resident would agree to have a dog park next to his or her house, including in the median in his or her street.
That's where the last consideration of a dog park in BP died. Great idea, love it, but "NIMBY"
PS: There are no more empty lots here. Well, maybe there's still one near the top of Griffing, but it no longer has a for sale sign on it. The Foundation could never have raised enough money to buy a house lot anyway.
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Fred, do you know if that small park we have on 10th and 109th by the tracks was considered? It is already fenced and it has a bench to sit on and some nice trees, it belongs to the city already. It is small but it's the only spot I can think of for a designated dog park.
ReplyDeleteJorge,
DeleteNo, I don't remember if we talked about that "butterfly park." Is it fully fenced? It's not fenced in front. In any case, we would still have to deal with the possibility that the direct neighbors of that park might object, and there is no parking at all. But if someone is still interested in the idea at that location, we could canvas the neighbors, and discuss what to do about access.
Fred
A few years ago their was talking about a dog park where the the flag is and Boy Scouts monuments is on Griffin Road some residents were opposed and it never move forward. We dog owners would love to have one.
ReplyDeleteYes, Tony, that's the spot I meant, where the two sculptures are now.
DeleteWhen you say "some residents were opposed," that was also the prevailing NIMBY (Not in My Back Yard) dynamic. Dan Keys below makes a sarcastic suggestion, but it's actually what the opposition was about. You like the idea, and so did others, but no one wanted to live with it in close proximity to his or her house. Even the proponents didn't want that. I'm not sure where else this concept could go at this point. What used to be a large vacant lot near the top of Griffing, on the canal, now appears to be part of Tony Pou's extended property. So I still say there are no vacant lots left (and no part of the Village could afford to buy one anyway), and no one volunteered the median in his or her block.
Fred
Honestly, I think the interested dog park enthusiasts might consider a round robin use of each of their own back yards.
ReplyDeleteThats just not feasible... liability issues.. blah blah blah... maybe in years gone by would people be kind enough to open their backyards to their neighbors and dogs but I just can't see people in South Florida doing that no matter how wonderful my neighbors are..
DeleteThats just not feasible... liability issues.. blah blah blah... maybe in years gone by would people be kind enough to open their backyards to their neighbors and dogs but I just can't see people in South Florida doing that no matter how wonderful my neighbors are..
DeleteFred, why isn't my comment considered on its merits rather than being derided as sarcastic. If you wonder why very few are seen as commenting here, you might look in the mirror. I will say it again, if there is a dog community that likes the idea of getting dogs and their owners together (not my thing, but seems like a healthy endeavor), then let one or several of them facilitate such a gathering.
ReplyDeleteDan,
DeleteThe sarcasm in your comment was noted, AND it was given full credit for the merit it contained. As you will re-read, I said that your comment, though sarcastic in its tone (and intent? Did you really think dog owners would begin a round robin of backyard dog parks? Or were you quite knowingly sarcastic? Come on, Dan.), I said that your sarcastic suggestion was precisely what the opposition was about. You hit the nail on the head: dog owners want a specified dog park, but NOT IN THEIR BACK YARDS (literally).
What's wrong, Dan? Are you having one of those days? Or are you mad at me about something?
Fred
My recommendation was clear and concise and it was and still is a good idea. Clearly the suggestion was that there might be more than one way to partake in activities such as could be found in a dog park.
ReplyDeleteThat you took my comments as sarcasm, again, merits a look in the mirror.
Your idea, taken at face value, without any sarcasm, is so patently obvious, it's a wonder you had to express it. Why do you suppose dog owners didn't figure that out a very long time ago?
DeleteOn whose part? Or in whose mirror?
Boys.. play nice.. its just a dog park...
DeleteBoys.. play nice.. its just a dog park...
DeleteRobyn,
ReplyDeleteChuck Ross had the same problem. I did once or twice, too. Here's the solution. When you've published your comment, do not press the return button to go back to the blog post. That's what makes your comment publish twice. Instead, retype the blog address in the address bar, and go back that way. Then, your comment will only publish once.
Fred