Wednesday, November 18, 2015
What Do You Think About Our New Entry Signs?
There has been some dissatisfaction about our new entry signs. They were intended for most entry points of the Village, except the 6th Avenue bridge. There were to be eight signs in all. As of now, four are erected. They are at the top and bottom of Griffing, the top of 10th Avenue, and the top of 8th Avenue.
The dissatisfaction has been about two features of these signs. One is the finish, and the other is the white backing. Some people think both look bad. Here's the deal about the signs.
We did not pay for them, for whatever that's worth. We got one of those patented "grants." We did, however, manage the design, material, size, and placement. The Village gets full responsibility-- credit or blame-- for the finished product.
A design was offered to the Commission. The design was represented by a computerized photoshopped "photograph." The design was of an upside down triangle, which is the shape of the Village, with the name Village of Biscayne Park cut out, and the silhouette of a bird on one of the upper corners. The material was CorTen steel. The "photograph" seemed to show the proposed metal sign as being more or less red in color, with blotchiness that I imagined was supposed to simulate shadows.
The Commission approved this design. The design was then presented to the Art Advisory Board and the Parks and Parkways Board, which jointly approved it. An actual, almost life size, model was made and presented at the May 5, 2015 Commission meeting. I will tell you now, with regret, I was not there. Commissioners who were there included David Coviello, Roxanna Ross, Bob Anderson, and Barbara Watts.
Barry Miller of the landscape architecture firm Miller Sorvino gave much of the introduction. He cited the intention to invoke the Village's "rustic charm" in creating the sign design. Mention was made of the actual color of the model and of the white backing behind the cut out letters. Barbara Watts recalled that the color of the sign in the preproduction "photograph" did not match the color of the model presented at the meeting. She had Mr Miller confirm that the intended color and finish would be that of the model, not of the "photograph." It was also confirmed that the color came from a constant and self-renewing patina of rust that is characteristic of CorTen steel. Bob Anderson also noted the "rusty coating" of the model, that it was intended as a protective finish, and he added that he thought the model looked "really nice." Little else was said of the composition of the sign or the color.
The model presented to the Commission had a white material behind the metal sign. This was intended to make the cut out lettering clear. The preproduction "photograph" showed cut out letters with no backing. You could see plantings through the letters. Bob Anderson again noted this, and the Commission was reassured that the intention was to install adequate plantings behind the sign, so the white backing would not ultimately be seen. Nothing further was said about the backing.
Roxy Ross said she "really liked" the sign presented to the Commission, and to the audience, and to the Comcast videographer at the 5/5/15 meeting. David Coviello "loved" it and considered it "beautiful." Bob Anderson, as mentioned, found the sign "really nice." Barbara Watts didn't have a conclusion. As I said, I wasn't there.
Now, some of these signs are erected. Some Village residents don't like them. Two people have complained to me about the signs, and neither of these people was at the 5/5/15 meeting.
As a personal matter, I'm not in love with these signs, either. I agree the rust patina is not what I expected, and I don't like the white backing. I'd like to see it removed, as it didn't exist in the photoshopped advance advertisement, or if that can't happen, then concealed from the back of the signs with plantings, as Mr Miller suggested. But if I had been at the 5/5/15 meeting, and if these issues had struck me then as they do now, it appears I would have been outvoted. Three, if not four, of my Commission colleagues appear to like the signs very much. So did the landscape architect, the Village's Art Advisory Board, and the Village's Parks and Parkways Board. No non-Commissioner residents at the meeting complained, and none of the people who might watch the meetings on video contacted anyone to register disapproval.
But what do you think of these signs? Have you seen them? If you don't like them, do you have any thoughts about what you'd like to see done with them? I don't know enough about CorTen steel to know if it can be sanded, primed, and painted. If it could, and you don't like the rust patina--if it doesn't invoke "rustic charm" for you-- would you like to have it treated this way? What about the white backing, to show off the cut out letters? Are you good with that, assuming it gets hidden by plantings behind the sign?
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I like the signs, they are artistic and unique. I took a close look at them today. I noted that the back of the sign is not white as is appears from afar but brushed aluminum. This needs to be either painted and or covered with landscaping. But other than that I think they are a fine fit for the Village.
ReplyDeleteI watched the meeting video today to refresh my memory of the meeting and the process to accept the signs.
As to the process, both the Art and the Park and Parkways boards discussed the signs and there was a community workshop held. Residents had numerous opportunities to weigh in on this. The Manager represented at the meeting that those that attended (I Don't how many that was) the community workshop were in favor of the design. At the commission meeting on 5/5/15 there were probably a dozen or so residents at the meeting and of those few that mentioned the sign presentation at public comment, none spoke against the signs. One had some concern about a car running into them, another was worried that someone might get hurt if they walked into the sign and the other simply said he like them. Although the picture of the signs was reddish, it seemed to me clear from the discussion that they were going to be rusty looking. There was a mock up at the meeting of the sign and it pretty much resembles what we have today. The other issue from the picture was that the letters would be cutout and there appeared to be no backing, but the mock up at the meeting clearly had a white backing. They said they were still working on it and mentioned brushed aluminum as a backing. It was discussed at the meeting that landscaping would be used to cover the back of the signs.
I think that once the landscaping is installed whatever concerns anyone might have about the look may change their minds. But the bottom line is the Village went through a process and of the four Commissioners three were clearly in favor and the other (BW) didn’t render an opinion but she didn’t speak against it either. The major concern from some of the Commission seemed to be what style the lettering should be.
From Lynn Fischer:
ReplyDeleteI am excited over our Village entrance signs. Just like our village, they reflect a unique distinction. And the addition of our local birds make them fun!
Seeing them when I enter the Park makes me smile!
Lynn
I am in total agreement.... they are beautiful & unique (far better than the cookie cutter signs of most municipalities!). Once the steel has fully oxidized, it will have a permanent patina found on much metal art/ sculptures; and with some landscaping, the backs will be a non-issue. I am proud that the village actually first, made a decision, and then carried it out!
ReplyDeleteFrom Maria Perez:
ReplyDeleteI'm not crazy about the signs but since they are already in place maybe some plants with flowers around it would be make it look nice.
From Linda Dillon:
ReplyDeleteHere we go again. For me, it’s just like the issues with the mural at the Rec. Center. Most people know “ art is in the eye of the beholder”. No doubt not everyone will like the new signs; but I am one who does. I was just wondering where the other four or five were since I only spotted a few of them while driving around. Glad to hear they are still coming; and, isn’t it typical to have people complain who were totally uninvolved in the process.
L.
Linda,
DeleteI'm checking. I know the plan includes the top of 6th Avenue, and I think we're also planning for the tops of maybe 7th, 8th, 9th, and/or 11th.
Yup, it sure is frustrating when people don't get involved, but then, they complain. Sometimes, it seems almost systematic. One recent complainer said he didn't express his opinion at the relevant time, because he decided the Commission wouldn't care what he had to say. Apparently, that conclusion did not prevent him from complaining later, after it was too late.
Fred
OK, Linda, the signs that are already up are at the top and bottom of Griffing, and the tops of 8th and 10th. The other four are scheduled for the tops of 6th, 7th, 9th, and 11th Pl. The delay is that we ran out of funding for the slabs at the four remaining sites. We'll scramble and find it.
DeleteWhen this project is complete, we will have the new signs at the bottom of Griffing, and the tops of Griffing, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, and 11th Pl. The bottom of 6th at the bridge, our most dramatic entry, already has the large stone sign with the extensive landscaping.
Fred
I like the signs! I love the bird on the corner and the rust patina is beautiful. I will admit the stark back is well, stark. But as Chuck said, it's easily covered. I'm grateful for the added beauty and charm to our Village! (especially since it was "free")
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